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Hello, everybody. My name is Ken Falan, and you're listening to another episode of HPR Public Radio.
This is the community news for July 2019. Join me tonight. Are you any difference going from season?
I'll let you go first because I'm just polite that way. Sorry.
And I don't know. I think we were here today in the early weeks of the week, but this is Dave Morris.
And also on the chat, we have KDG who was on here before. Hello. Hi. Hello.
So this is HPR. HPR's community podcast, where the shows are submitted by people like you.
And if you are thinking of gosh, what would be a great time to submit to some shows,
that would be wrong about now because we're kind of getting low on shows. And this is the
community news show where members of the community discuss the shows that have been on in the last
month. Stuff that's been on the mailing list and other bits and bobs that I've been happening
in the HPR Ecosphere. First thing we do traditionally is Dave introduces the new hosts.
Well, we do have a new host this month. It's wonderful. And he's called Might Be Mike.
Very welcome to the network. Yeah. Welcome to the family.
Excellent. So the first show to discuss was last month's community news, where we obviously
didn't have any controversy whatsoever because nobody could be bothered to comment.
And I think some are the people who did wanted to comment were on holidays or something. So
we're going to step that up and try and get a lot more controversy in this show.
So let's let's do that by starting talking about the following show, which was
earbuds by operator. And I must say I was disappointed at the lack of
links in this to some of the stuff he was discussing because I couldn't quite catch it on the
podcast and had to go back and look some of the stuff up because it's very interesting how
they cost me your pods and custom sounds set up. A few links would have been cool operator.
Yeah. Absolutely. To be honest, normally sends in those essays on this stuff.
Yeah. So I think nobody commented on that either, but that could be down to
people being on vacation and having no mobile plans. Let's just assume that's what was
this month. Yeah, this really was make it. I was in France, so no data.
Does your normal data not work in France? It's right. Does the Switzerland data plan
EU roaming of work in France or does that not apply to the or not apply? No, that does not apply.
I have a like, one megabytes or something like that in my Swiss,
it's just a plan, but nope. No, no, no. No luck with the the Triggy.
I shall cry on the inside. The following number, the following number cool,
certainly, which is a random one number. It is. It's about Pascal.
It isn't just one. It's to the total and his continuing series on Pascal.
Just when you think you're getting the hang of this language. Actually, this one was in the
one that this was fine. I got this one. The next one is the next one. Yeah.
Blue, my man. My head. Yeah. Yeah. My concentration. Go ahead. Go ahead.
I just concluded that random numbers in Haskell are weird. That was the notes I left myself.
So yeah, but it's as always is really well explained. I just didn't have the notes in front of me,
so I didn't. I was struggling listening to this, I have to say. I can't read it. No, no, no, no.
It's not. No, go ahead or work. I concluded longer ago that Haskell was really weird.
That's just from the numbers. But still, it's interesting and very well explained as usual.
Yeah. But I do. I've stopped fooling myself. Maybe I can get through a Dave Morris episode without
looking at the show notes at the time. But no, but this, I have no choice but to go to the show.
And read them many times. Exactly. Well, you know, this is putting me in a very uncomfortable
place, uh, computer-wise because it just makes me realize that there's a whole, whole range of computers
out there in the whole tech sector that I'm not getting. I'm not able to get my head around this yet.
And that's a good thing because it's opens your up to challenges and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. You're right,
actually, um, when I started doing IT, then if you knew what you're doing in IT, then you were
sort of god-like almost because so few people understood it. And gradually, those sorts of
IT people used to wear white coats and all that sort of stuff. Long, long, long gone. It's changed a lot.
We, yeah. So the following day was a number five of the seventh annual Hacker Public Review
and you're show covering things like hacking a box over the wire, under the wire of
Gnome boxes, talking about headsets, Katie Plasma, Kansas Linux Fest, Freenas, Gemini,
and it goes on and on very good links. Thank you, Honkimagoo. Unbelievable. The amount of work
that was necessary to put that to show together. Basically, on the show, not smoothly.
Yeah. Very impressive. Very impressive. Then the following day, we had Huka
with privacy and security series. And then he has another few coming in there as well. And this one
was on the N-I-S-T cybersecurity framework. And I always tend to get a little bit nervous when the
word cybersecurity gets mentioned. But in this case, it was just because it came from a government
but very good tips. I found all right, very practical as well. Yeah. Let's
think that when you think about it, it's just, you know, common sense. But it's always good to
to have those things in the same place, same document, very interesting to listen to. And very
practical to put in place. Yeah, I enjoyed this one. As you said, it's a very good little common sense
to it. Surprisingly, really, because it used to be a sort of dark object to a large extent. And
it's quite nice to hear some basic down-to-earth advice like this. It's very useful for Huka to do this.
And also, the fact that it's supported by, you know, an American US government funded national
institutional standards and technology, that adds a way to it. You know, the older things that we've
been saving for years, you can now go, well, you know, here's the document that says, uh, so now
now it's not just me that saying that it's the National Institute of Standard and Technology in the
US who are saying these things as well. So we really need to do it. It kind of shifts the burden.
So the following day we had, Mr. You're in a bubble. And
well, if he's going to have loads of English-wise, I think we can, I can pronounce it in,
I don't know, whatever. And we sound exactly what's to be here. Well, if you say it's French,
then fine. Don't become, I was going for South African, but okay. Okay. Wow, this, this guy just blows
my mind. Yeah. Yeah, brilliant show. I left a comment because nobody else is. Car's parked over the
put. Hi, Arun. What do you do when cars are parked over the fire harrant Ken? I've been wanted to
know this for ages. And I also wanted to know, because I live in the Netherlands, obviously,
and this is about the Netherlands. So his comment was, there are red boards on which tells you
with the numbers on it. So we've been wondering what the kids for years, what those numbers were,
but we thought they were related to the fire hydrants, but now we know exactly what it is.
But oftentimes people, you know, they're on the pavement and people park their cars on top.
So I would love to know what happens when somebody parks the car on top. And there's a fire.
Blow the car with the, oh, I know that. Oh, oh, God, yes. So no, no, that would be terrible.
I'll have this. What's up, you're going to use it there? Yes. So I do have three Kevin's?
Yes, I'll do it. Okay. Kevin and Brian says, I love the show. I guess you never know when someone
is going to do something unexpected, yet awesome. I love this show. Yeah. Yeah.
General, General always come up with good shows. Yeah. God, really sucks. He's making hard for
the rest of us like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, I guess that's why I'm not making any more show for
HP. Yeah, exactly. You're never going to be very, very much. Never going to be as good as that.
So yeah, I think I'm going to have to go back to not some of my earbud things and
packing iron and boards again to lower the standard a little bit. Did you get the impression that
your room was saying, oh, well, it's not some of the stories and I could tell you about them later.
Did he commit to tomorrow? Did they? I felt that that was a series myself. Anyone else?
Should be. Should be. Yeah. Yeah. That's what you're on. You owe us a show.
Yeah. Yeah. I'll start with two little totals. Come on. Thanks. Thank you for the series
and the wrap-up episode. It's been a pleasure to follow the series and learn about
arc. I don't use of myself, but it's always good to know that there are plenty of tools to
choose from when there's a specific need. Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. So, Epster said, thank you.
Thank you for the series. You guys. It was great. I learned more than I wanted to. I tried hard to
not learn, but you made me. Not just about OK. It's not about programming, information,
theory that has to choose history, bash, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And Norris says,
hey, it's your epic. This series will stand out as one of the highlights of HPR. Thank you,
be easy and Dave Morris. Couldn't agree more. Bullaboos for both of you. Yes,
clap and press the whole to talk. It's not working, but let's try it.
Thank you. I'm embarrassed. This one. But I said, many thanks for the kind words. Thank you
to two tips to it and Norris to your comments. We had a lot of fun putting the series together.
I certainly found out more about arc than I knew before, and I think the same sentiment was
expressed by my collaborator. Be easy. There's nothing quite like telling others about the
thing to make you understand it better, smiley face. So, now, the only few things we need to do,
one is post the show notes together as a booky book. But one, yeah, planned. It's planned,
but nothing's been done. No plans. No plans. And the second one is for somebody to
use the audio tracks of these episodes and then do a screen typing thing and make a video of us
so that we can put on YouTube and Facebook and stuff. Just saying no pressure, guys.
I think when it was a lot of tear. Can you imagine not doing it? The audio is there. All you
need to do is follow along. Yeah. Just one. I can volunteer to teach the audio together, but
yeah. It's not the transmission arc. Of course, it's going to be a lot of work.
What are you? So, you're not already doing it? Nope. No.
No. Volunteers are needed for this sort of thing. To be a lifetime achievement.
I see all the podcasts do it. Maybe they use a different recording app.
We could, yeah, but we can put them on YouTube. That's fine. It's just a transcoding thing,
but taking something like the arc series or a sad series or indeed some of the other ones that
have been done in the past and then as the person is talking, type the commands out on the screen
and show you the output. So the vocal, the voice actor has done the work. The script has been written.
Now we just need an animator to come along and edit the stuff together. So if you are, for example,
a bit shy or a bit nervous about having your voice on HPR, then this would be a way to contribute
back to the community. There are so people who do this, but I don't know whether they do it after
the event. I'm certainly not volunteering myself at all. I guarantee you that's a lot.
Some of you who was to take that on, that would be great, but it'll be a lot more work than you think.
Um, the following day, we had feeding the beast by Fokey and this was
Bunkid and Swedish payments, about basically online payments. I think it's Bunkid.
Bunkid, of course, is what you find, thanks. Your thoughts?
It sounded a little bit like what's happening in Switzerland to where we have more and more ways
to use alternate payment method. I'm talking about the payment, not the identity
but it was interesting to have a point of view on what's happening in another country.
And I think that's, yeah, that's the kind of thing that we're going to have to face in the future.
Um, uh, more and more, uh, how can I say that? Um, um, um, I was going to say,
unreal business, not really, but, uh, virtual ways of, you know, spending money.
It seemed, I mean, the, uh, here in the Netherlands, I don't think I've paid
to carry cash for the last two, three years. Uh, the only time I would ever need to use cash now is,
uh, if somebody's leaving, but now there's even, you get a, like, a URL to, uh, there's a website
service that it's a, you know, here transfer this into my bank account and you go to their
and you automatically transfer for your bank account. So cash is becoming less and less of a thing.
Yeah. Both, there are implications and I really enjoyed that this episode was there because
the company thinking again and both these implications. I am uncomfortable about the fact that it
needs a phone because phones are very, very vulnerable to all manner of fact. Why would you be using
that as the, the device to, to, I mean, um, I think is it dumb phones that are used in Africa,
because this is big, big thing in Africa, isn't it? Or many countries in Africa are using phones
for sort of micro payments and that type of thing, that's fantastic. But I don't see, I don't think
they're very smart phones. And I don't know why we would be carrying, you know, 1000 pounds worth
of phone just to pay 50 pay at the, the news agents or something, you know, that just doesn't seem
right to me. Or else it's like when I can carry a card and exactly, you know, well, you can take
you payment. Technically, all you need is a private key. That's it. Yeah. So you could, you could
be just a USB key or something, you know, yes, it's expensive within the phone. But I just bought
myself a burner phone as they call them a knock here, knock here 105. So, because because the bank
keep on nagging me about how they've made things more secure and when I pay the money, they
have to send me a SMS message and then I have to type that number in. So I was not going to give
them my mobile number because then I know I'm going to get spammed all the time on it. So, you know,
is that sort of stuff that bothers me? Maybe I'm a corp to deal with someone so, but just bothers
me this stuff. So you're banking your land like to stamp people. Like to do what, sorry? You're
banking your land like to stamp people. They spam you with SMS messages, Dave. Oh, no, yeah, yeah.
Well, I get lots of unsolicited phone calls anyway because my number, not so much from my mobile,
but my landline number has leaked. So I get sort of multiple daily calls from people in wherever
India quite a lot of the time telling me that, you know, I had an accident or my phone has got
viruses on it, my computer has got viruses on it. And all that sort of stuff, and how did that get
out? That got out through me being not being aware of the consequences of sharing a phone number.
And, you know, I don't think to a bank is too big of a phone number, not in my country,
not sure if it's however I don't know to your country. But they do well. I've seen it in
Ireland and other places where there will start such a special offer on this, and special offer
on that. So yeah. And the banks are just a small element of huge multinational companies,
and they will send you, they will pass your details on to others in that company, because I'm
constantly, when I deal with the bank having to tick or remove ticks and boxes that say,
no, I'd like to hear more interesting stuff from other members of the group, you know,
so I think that if you, if you put out your mailing list, it's like being on a mailing list.
Yeah, yeah. And they pass it around. Thankfully, the GDPR is helping us with that particular one.
Well, you're creeping mailing list. I'm misunderstanding your mailing list. I thought this was like
RS seeds. No, our mailing list is the old school mailing list under the RSS feeds for the shows.
But I didn't understand that, and I got of fault. I added myself a month then this day.
Oh, okay. So, anyway, back to the show, the next show was telling myself something in the morning
by Jesra, programming one or more, and it's even up on GitLab. And I like, I like Jesra,
show. Yeah. And I like the idea too. I mean, I myself forget, forgot to let
us, all things, I think, I tell myself, okay, I've got to do that. I've got to, you know,
get, get this paper ready. And then I always remember those things, just like maybe three minutes
after I could have done that. Like, I have something to take to the office. And I, you know,
start the car, leave the house, and then, oh, I forgot this paper, and then, well, I'm not
going to turn around this too much. So, I'll pick it up tomorrow and then the next day, the same thing
happens. Yep. To the total says, backpides for the way in hilarious and informative
episode at the same time. Thank you for recording it. Yep. David Beck said, David Beck said,
rusted pipes, I'm guessing, that some wasn't written for the backpides.
Jesra says, pipes up. Thank you to, to, to, that bit of bad piping is a melody I learned
after N.Y. Bill asked me for some audio to represent time passing. It's a very few notes,
but I always mess it up, smiley face. It should be noted that no songs were ever written for
backpides. Songs are compositions that are to be sung by a voice, not played on an instrument,
smiley face. We'll have a few tunes, thank you. So, the following day, we had the New Year's
Year's Eve show Bart 6, makers, Apple Talk, Linux and the mobile, more 3D printing, etc.
No comments on that one either. And then we had a more mint mobile,
security rant by upper-riser. And you can also use call forwarding to four calls to you.
You could voice a number of mint does not sound to stake connected all the time.
This I think was kind of probably very US-centric, because I didn't quite miss the functionality
that was on offer here, although I do get the, after a while I realized it was like a SIM card
service or like a cheap telco service. Yeah, I didn't get the whole picture.
So, yeah, but I did show here. I went look in the, tell you what you do to join, but then tell
you what it is. Or not in any way that I could understand. Yeah, but yeah, I did figure it out.
It was a mobile voice operation that we're trying to use trying to switch cards
and stuff, so it became obvious at the end. But don't forget, folks,
read the internationalization section when you're doing the upload thing.
Don't assume that everybody knows what you're talking about, because there are different
countries out there, many different listeners from all across the planet.
Creating counterplay collectible tokens for a bit corn game.
Dave and I, this was the first show, but it might be like, and I must say, David, I struggled with
this one, we thought it was for sure, for sure, for Span. Oh, yes. Yeah, it was, well,
until the, the, the, the, if it was like three days later or something like that,
all right. Yeah, if it was an, and I had the further game or what was that?
Yeah, strange, but interesting. Yeah, although, although the concept of a bit
coin and these sorts of blockchain things have been explained in many times, I still
do not entirely clear why I'm still asking the question why, and so I came away from this one
that why, why would you want to do this? I probably, it's more of an indication of my lack of knowledge
than everything else. Yeah, I, I, I, I, I asked myself the same question, why would you use
a blockchain for, for, for that, at first that didn't even understand, on the stand, what
it was about, but then as the show progressed, I understood it was a collectible card game,
basically, and then the use of the blockchain makes sense if you want to,
to track every transaction, so you know that hired this token, which is basically a card,
and there are some common cards and some records, and if I sell you a card, and you need to
have a proof that I had, I had it, and then now you have it, and it's still in the game,
it's still there, the blockchain allows to trace, to trace the, the, the, the, the change of
honor of the, this, this token, so yeah, indeed, and it can't stop make, make sense, but
yeah, it was not really clear in the beginning, but still, I, I, I, I, I just, I think I understood
it in the end. Yeah, I, we've asked him for more shows, and there are more shows coming in,
so that is, that is, also excellent. I personally would like to answer the question,
the blockchain, yes, I understand what it is, and what it does, but I, I'm kind of more of the opinion
that, again, it's a solution waiting for a problem, and yeah, yeah, but I can, I can, I can, I agree,
there was, in my mind, there was no need for the blockchain, and now there's the blockchain, and
everyone's trained to figure out how to use it, and, you know, yes, yeah, crypto, yeah, crypto money
is, is one use of it, yes, but as, as with many things, there was no need in the beginning,
so they created some need. But, you know, that's also fine. Yeah, I'm happy with it existing,
but whether it's going to solve the Brexit crisis, I'm not sure.
Somehow, I think, no, no, no, no, I have to know if anything will sound the Brexit crisis.
Anywho, vehicle designer for a space game, now this is one that I did particularly enjoy due to the fact
that even though I'm not following the Haskell thing, I did, I find it fascinating how he's building
the game full-stop, like all the stuff that you just take for granted with these stats and stuff,
how, how they're coming together, and the pictures are pretty cool. Yes, totally, totally,
does the Haskell. Of course, who has? Yes, I think it's very cool, as well, and I'm sorry, I just just
looked at the picture, and it's sort of been truncated on my screen for some reason,
but it was originally like that. But anyway, yeah, the potential of it is very, very cool,
but whether I would ever play it, I think I would be able to see this, but yeah,
I've met his skill in building it. So the following day, we had HBR, I think it's the last one,
as well, and there were two comments, both of which, do you want to read? Okay, I'm going to read
the first one, by the, the, do the mean. I disagree with just about all the opinions expressed in this
episode. Wow. Check me out for the opposite and just about all the views expressed in this episode,
just in case someone puts together a debate. Good to hear the discussion, but I'm sure do disagree
with so much of what the was said. Here's to your right to say it. And a DODD dummy,
followed up with saying, first hour, that is. The last comment was referring to the
burst hour of the episode. Okay, I would like to comment on this if I'd me.
I was a HBR volunteer, I would like to say there are, we are very, very binary here on this
network. There are two types of people. There are people who have submitted the show,
and there are people who have not yet submitted the show. Now, I would like to say, from my point
of view, I could not agree with the DOD dummy more, the thinly veiled, whatever that was in the
first episode was very, very difficult to stomach. So, yes, thank you very much. And that has been said.
Yes, probably, I don't care, because I think it's ridiculous, the argument that was put
forward that the doctor would need to know that information. Well, you're not going to be a
super doctor if you can't tell if somebody has already gone through that level of surgery, yeah.
Yeah, I have personal opinions on this, and I may even record a show on this, and I'm trying to
line up your sister. Sorry, go on. What? You asked the show now. Yes. Well, I've been,
there are a few people who have gone through this in my life, and oddly enough, a few who are
gone through it themselves, and I'm thinking as a parent, how would you deal with that if,
okay, you've got this, you're writing a bash script, right? Dave, and you got variable,
and that variable is your brain, your sexuality, and your brain thinks it's X, and you forget to
assign that variable to subfunction, which is, you know, genitals, and they come out as Y. You know,
why should we fucking punish somebody for that? You know, just dudes, and your burden is the addition
or subtraction over a single letter when you're addressing these people. If that's uncomfortable
for you, then use they, them, you or high, just, you know, skip over, sorry, but, okay, fine.
And I'm trying to put a show together. I'm trying to convince some people to come on and talk to us
about that whole process, but as you can imagine, it's, it's difficult for somebody.
Yeah, absolutely. Anyone else wants to, to annoy people with their opinion?
I'm afraid I have no opinion on this one. My notes say, where the hell was I when this show is
playing in my ears? I think I must have fallen asleep at that point, or something, because I'm going
to have to go back and listen to this to, to formulate an opinion. I was in the shed and I was
very, very frustrated, simply because I've seen how upsetting. All right, picture this scene,
right? You have this lady I worked with, and there's a queue for the men's toilet, and the guy,
one of our colleagues comes over and goes, hey, there's no women around here, and they're nips into
the women's toilet, and she's standing right there in front of them, and, you know, just how
fucking rude that was, and that's just, you know, that's just rude. It's just rude.
I mean, who, there we go. I may have to go back and head and out all of this, because, you know,
we don't want Ken Falon's opinions to prevent people from feeling like they can submit a show.
So, these are my personal opinions, and as Domi poses, a debate would be absolutely excellent
thing to have. I don't think I could do that, because I tend to be a slow thinker, and therefore
wouldn't be quick enough to respond to this, but yeah, okay. Yeah, I meet too on the slow thinking.
I would need some time to think, to think carefully through this one. I have kids who have a
quite strong opinions on these subjects, so we have some family get together, so wherever we
we thrash out some of these points, so that would be helpful too to this old geezer.
Encryption and quantum computing. How will quantum computing affect the security of
encryption? Oh, yeah, this one was actually interesting. Oh, by the way, HPR is all about
these sorts of discussions. Don't be afraid to talk about political discussions. Don't be afraid
to give us your opinions on here, but do not expect everybody to agree with you. Okay, that's
that said. Ahuka, by the way, this was the show. Sorry. My comments was about the previous show.
This was about Ahuka's quantum privacy and security episode where he discusses quantum computing
and what likely effects it will have on breaking encryption algorithms and what work is currently
ongoing to make it possible to safely have security encryption in a quantum computing world.
Yes, I found that really quite an interesting viewpoint on it. I have not really followed up
where this is going and it was good for him to set off a journey and I could follow along. So yeah,
thank you. It was actually quite cool because the last I had left it myself was, oh,
you know, we're all going to be screwed from quantum computing comes along, but he already mentioned
that they're working on some algorithms and ways to approach it. That would make it difficult for
quantum computing to break. As you might expect, I suppose, but it does look a bit scary as you
see this thing coming over the horizon. So the next day, but before we go on, I just want to
end up with a comment about the HHBR episode things, the new year shows, special shout out
to Hunky and all the guys who are responsible for putting that together, but especially for him
for editing those shows, the show notes, and posting them, it was a massive amount of work
and they're cute, I'll stay in for doing that. Thank you very much.
Oh, I completely echo that. Yeah, I did offer to help out with the notes if the help was needed,
but he was called, don't ask, don't ask, don't ask, don't ask, don't ask, don't ask.
I was run away quickly, but certainly, yeah, he didn't call for any help, so
could put a him really, they took it along himself. So the following day, we had HHBR
two H-6-1, safety risers by upper-edger and other, and it took me a while to figure out what
safety risers were, again, but yep, very cool. That's a subject of debate in my house
because the business of shaving has with many capitalist ventures has turned into complete
insanity that you now have to buy a razor that has 47 blades on it and can work upside down
and in a force 10 gale and all that sort of stuff. And you paid vast amounts, I knew it's in
the supermarket that all of these things are under lock and key, you know, you have to
even ask somebody, I really liked to buy a razor please, whereas it was about the same level of
expenses as a ballpoint pen when I was a kid. It's insane, but they're just going to be
a move away from that to the more old fashion style of double-edged, so-called safety risers,
safety, the contact, and a bit disposable ones. Disposable, yeah, we just got a single blade
which you put into a razor, having unscrewed it and cropped it in and so forth. And it lasts
your fair time, it does the job perfectly, it's a lot, lot cheaper and, you know, it's just less
less junk, and they've got been landfill as a consequence, but it'll probably change,
it'll probably get very expensive and all that sort of, but my son's very much into
these sorts of razor, so we've had long discussions about this. So I'd pretty good enjoyed this
thing to this. Yeah, as the day I had the same sort of journey myself going, why am I spending so
much on this when I could just grow a beard and buy a beard trimmer, which I did. So fashion statements
aside, my beard is there purely for economic reasons. Yes, yes, I did that when I was younger,
yeah, yeah, art versus commerce in storytelling, lost in bronze, examine the stories as both
art and products, and this also was the last in the episode in the series, and I was very,
very sad. Yes, yeah, it's been something that's been a fixture, isn't it? I've thoroughly enjoyed it
because I love storytelling. And yeah, it was a brilliant series from my point of view. I strongly
suspect lost in bronze because on a road trip somewhere across America and just recorded them
more and after the other, and you know, talk, got it on first, you know, first status, and
and then just pipe them all into us. But I great, really appreciate it, and I'm being loved
his work. If you don't contribute on Patreon to him, you should definitely do that if you're into
his stuff and why you wouldn't you be? So, Biza had simplified application architecture for improved
security, a thought experiment in whether reducing runtime dependencies can improve security and how to
do it. This was interesting actually. Thoughts? Well, yes, Biza's sense to be to have come from a similar
background to mine. He's mentioned Vaxway MS, which is why I really thought that I thought before.
And he also wrote in Karl 66, and I did those as well, and talking about how you just
wrote the whole thing pretty much. Not absolutely. I mean, we were a number of libraries which you
had to link in and stuff in my time. But yeah, you could write things that was totally standalone
if you wish. But then shared libraries and DLLs and things came along. And I remember the innovation
of shared libraries, which were being shared simultaneously by any number of bits of software that
were running on a shared machine, you know, and a multi-user machine. And how we thought that was
wonderful because memory was very short in those days. And this was just a tremendous innovation
and so on. And that's the way things are. I mean, in his point was that the pressures that made
that happen no longer exist because memory can be vast. And this was no limit to it. So,
in doing this, can you, do you not leave all sorts of attack surfaces open? So, which seems
like an argument. I can't comment on whether that's the case, but you would expect that it might
well be. Yeah, but I get his point. But the benefits of shared library is also that there are
more people using of more eyes on the code. So, you get those benefits from having shared
library as well. Admittedly, you know, if you just want to do one thing and you pull in a whole
library for that, that your attack surface is greater. Interesting discussion though.
Yeah, yeah, no, it's interesting points. I'm sure there were times when you could select
compile time and whether you wanted to be a static binary that you produced or whether you wanted
to make it shared on that. And if it were static, then you potentially take it somewhere else,
whether those libraries didn't exist. And he was talking about that as well, wasn't he? Yeah, so
I don't think that's the case anymore. You can't easily generate static stuff. You go and put it
into a snap or something similar. You have flat text, net, and up the image. Yeah.
Okay, cool. The following day, we had one weird trick to add dash dash help option to your
ox grips by Latu who was determined not to let the ox series die. I'm sure he'll come on.
I was really surprised to see this. But what Latu has done now, twice, is to go and look a little
bit behind the sort of stuff that we were doing. And which was, you know, we tried to go into
a fair degree of depth, but it ended up being fairly superficial in some research. We didn't
borrow down into the complexity, because we didn't feel the audience would want it. But
he's pointed out some, well, he's, Latu has pointed out some really interesting and useful
aspects that have complimented the series, I think. And this business of can you write a script
where you put hikin' hikin' help, which you then deal with, is a pain. Because to me, that shows the
deficiencies of orcas are as a standalone language. The fact that the orc interpreter thinks it's
for it rather than for the script. And, you know, there should be a way in which you can say,
look, orc, this is none of this is for you, it's all for the script, leave it alone. And you can't,
which is very frustrating. Fascinating, though. But it was actually kind of cool. Yeah, yeah,
there is a, there are tricks around, I remember digging into this sort of thing, years ago,
there are tricks where you can have the same script, which in one context is interpreted by your
shell. And then you feed it, you feed the whole thing to the language you want, which may be orc,
whatever. And it's ignored by the orc, or whatever it is. And so it serves the two purposes,
and the first in the shell, the thing that it interprets is the thing that says, submit me to orc.
And past these arguments to it directly, without the interpreter messing about with them.
It's similar to, orc, a flat two second example. But all in one tiny package, but if you do that,
then you end up in the having painted itself into a corner, I think, because it's very
shell-specific. And it's really unmaintenable. And defeat the purpose of what you're trying to
do in the first place. Yes. Yes.
Boko, long-made flat two continues to feed the shells. Maybe you will start getting filled
and guilty and continue to send a sense of skills. Anywho, move it on. The YouTube channels,
I really like your rune button, the Steve Cober shell, Curious Mark, Virtual A, Odeva,
Apollo Gardens, Commissioner, Mochex, and Death Ware's Bunny slippers. Three shows that you could
listen to there, or watch on YouTube. And if you have people listening, have some channels
that they want to share, please do so. It is a great way of learning about stuff that you
might not have come across, because the way of the YouTube works is it's recommendations of
what you already, the sort of tunnel you're currently getting. Exactly. Get somebody else's
high view of these things can be really, really break out of these sorts of things. And also
tells you a lot about the person. Wait, does it does? Yeah, yeah, it's quite a bit revealing.
So, it might be Mike, might not be. Also did an introduction to Bitcoin for techies, which was
concise, short-sweet, and to the point if I miss this or myself. Yeah, I really like this.
He has a really good way of explaining stuff. And I really did follow along with this.
Mark that down to something to go and look at again, listen to again, if I need to get into the
depths of Bitcoin. Very few shows, very few comments this month. Yeah, actually.
Is there an issue with the common system, perhaps? We would have heard about this.
I think it's probably just a summer months and people will comment when they get back.
Yeah. Then all most done, Mr. X automatic tuning with the Kenwood TS940S, which was basically
following up from his HDR 266H show, which you was doing a review. And then he had the opportunity
to add in some automatic tuning on, basically use the functions that he hadn't put in before,
because he was requested to in the comments of that show, which was actually quite nice to here.
Yeah, yeah. So he's good to have a bit of a demonstration of a thing you're talking about,
or a picture or whatever else. Especially when it's audio only, but in something.
For example, put in an example in there. So the last show of this month, 2H6H custom data
with persistence to a total experience have to see where lies custom data with persistence in.
Guess what, programming language? Yes, folks. It's Haskell.
What a surprise. There we go. So that was it. What shows this month, actually?
Yeah, three from this month. I'm kind of glad because, yeah, it's a bit, we're a bit
shorter shows. Actually, I'm starting to get a smidge and worried. We always have a summer
load button. So if you have a few shows there in the old pipeline, you might throw them all away.
No need to plug up the queue immediately, but stick to the recommendations there on the
upload page. So if there is a free slot in the next two weeks, please use those.
Other than that, you can fill out some slots in the future weeks and months.
It's always nice to have. So there were some other strange comments, strange comments.
No, there were just strange comments. There were just other comments. Operator responded to a
comment on no GS part one. And you wanted to say, I still want to work on this, but
but this is what I have so far. And he put in a link to the scripts that you've
working on. And he wants to convert his bash scripts, which he points to pop it here. Do you do the
other one, please? Fair enough. The other one goes way, way back to episode 438, which was a
day of yates episode. And RIPA says, hello, I noticed you've recommended FOS geek. I'd like to
listen myself, but I've been unable to find a copy of the files. Did anyone have a copy or an old
hard disk I can have? Thank you. Anyone out there with FOS geek? I tried to look on
I had to look on the way back machine. I didn't spend a lot of time on that. And I got distracted
afterwards. So I haven't really followed completely through, but I couldn't find anything that
seemed to be useful on the way back machine. So I also checked text files.com, which is a
always a good or text file, so.org is a Jason Scott's one. And I couldn't find it over there either,
but so anyone listening, FOS geek, if you've got a copy of it, would be awesome to
not have that loss to perpetuity. And that fair day is the end of our comments for this month,
but that there is also the whole point of HBR and the longevity of the thing. Apparently now Dave
podcasting is popular again. Have you noticed? I have. Yeah, yeah, I see. I had the radio,
radio fall extra rattling on about this podcast and that podcast and stuff. And they tend to be
pointing towards podcasts, providers, which is often the BBC, but other people who don't offer
SS feeds and all these sort of stuff. So the big boys are coming into to get to start milking it,
I feel. Yeah, I had, there was a comment on the internal blog in work about people
people recommending good podcasts, so I recommended HBR and then up a down here. We've been doing this
for the last 14 years, so there's quite a selection there. 14 years? Not so hip and trendy as you think,
folks. Are you sure we do their mailing list discussions then, perhaps? I don't think it'll take
very long because there's, uh, you know, she uses them a lot. I think if I had only known.
So yeah, I think mine was the only contribution to the mailing list. Oh, yeah, I was
an expect from walking his dog, he said. Yeah, that needs to go into, that needs to be recorded.
Yeah. Yes, of course. So LWN.ness community calendar for August.
Anything coming up? Let me see. FR OSCon, Flock, PyCon Africa, LDC Brazil, Flock,
COS, Cup 2019, what's that? Conference and open source coders uses the promoters in type
pay in type 1. LSS is Linux security summit in San Diego, U.S. Tracing some of San Diego in
U.S. Open source summit North America, San Diego. I get the feeling that perhaps they've all
organized these in together as one big conference. Fast 4G in book rest. No idea what that is.
Guadac, uh, you know, user and developer conference in Greece. Well, most of you over to
September 2019, see if there's anything coming up there. Your side pie is in Brazil.
Open source firmer conference is in California in the U.S. Pie, Colorado is pie conference in Colorado.
Academy 2019 zone on the first week of September. And Colonel some of maintainers
canoe tools, Cloud Foundry, so much D.P. E.D.K., disk, user space and fronts.
ASG all systems go in Berlin. Central Pense of any open source conference.
And that's about it from there. And dead line for call for papers,
Ohio Linux festers on the 70th of August. Picon South Africa, I presume.
Yep, is on the end of the month as is OS Camp Foreman L.A.S. in your book in Germany.
Any other business? Well, the Ohio and excess conference call for papers or call for presentations.
Uh, you just mentioned and it's the deadline that's been moved forward to August 17.
So uh, there's an item about that. Which I won't read out because it's quite long.
The other next one was we had a problem with show to 855, which
kind of is entirely my fault. Trunk. Okay. So I put a bit of waffle here, which is fairly
short, but just to say that we upload all shows to archive.org and shows downloaded by the feeds,
the HPA, the HVRs, the feeds actually come from that copy. So they're also on the HVR site.
So what happened to us on Friday the 12th of July, this show was uploaded to archive.org and
site we truncated. So people when they got on the figure, truncated version.
So we spotted it and fixed it and it was then the RSS feed was tweaked so that
everybody would re-download it and this all happened there after for me the next day on the
Saturday. So so the problem was solved, but it's a rare event. So I just thought it was worth
noting that these things do happen and you know in the world of in the system that
Rumble volunteers then it's hard to respond fast, but I think we did it down well actually.
They are underground. The issue of everyone's interest was we take because we don't know
what format the other files would come in and we'll accept any format. We use FFNPAC convert it to
a roll pulse which modulates it to file, which is by definition quite large. So if you send in a
flag file, that's going to be more or less similar in size. Well it's actually going to be quite a lot of
larger. So that's why we always want the best copy that we can possibly get and then from there
we convert into flag, wave and all the other formats. Because in yourials tend to be quite large
and two or four hours long and I was actually posting a lot of shows at the time, but the
disk space ran out on my laptop and the script doesn't just know that the file is created so it
sees that the file has been created and then moves on. So that worked okay for the it was just on the
border. So it was okay for to create the one for the website but not okay for to do the one for
the internet archive. So the one for the website was created it's correctly and the one for internet
archive to never know of space. So you've got the intro, you've got the description, the intro,
on the outro, but is zero by central file. So to fix that I have I haven't modified the script
in any way yes because that's coming with something else but to fix that I'm now also checking
the files that were sent into archive. So prior to this I've only been checking the files on the
website but now I check the physical media as well for and I also check to make sure that the
durations are more or less within a few seconds of each other on all different platforms.
So hopefully this particular problem won't occur again.
Cool. So finally everything was just me saying that I submitted some more tags and summaries to
the thing. I don't usually say that it was me what done it and so I've made to make believe that
there's this else that are doing these things in secret but I thought I'd just say it was me what
done it. So there you go. Let's do like that. It's the last I still have. If you're appearing on
this list of days report underscore missing underscore tags.php. Can you submit some things so
that we all won't be embarrassed? I seconded. Cracky that's an impressive page, Dave.
Yeah. Four hundred billion. I mean one four seven one four nine one and two two zero four.
Wow. Cool. You were saying? Now I was saying I was wrongly thinking that new shows didn't
have tags but it's it's mostly old shows. I think. Yeah. Tag to no mandatory talk, Dave. Yeah.
That's true. Yep. That certainly made my life a lot easier at my end of the day.
Oh yeah. But even I mean even if it's not mandatory it's it's not really 10 seconds. So there's
there doesn't no excuse for not tagging a show one out of all. Yeah. Also you know what you
you know better what you're sure about. Other things that are coming up. One thing that I did
do was I changed the meta subtle change to the intro speeches. So that's every 10 episodes.
You get an anniversary announcement. So if you do 10 episodes you get an anniversary announcement and
every every variation there off. So you'll start hearing that if you listen carefully.
I need to publish many motions. I want to end 10 and we're coming up close to
Oak Camp people. So we should stickers and merch and a lot sort of stuff and the UK,
HB or Booth case wherever that is. I know where it is and Tim Timmy is coming to Oak Camp
and he is holding it at the moment and he's he's said to me on Master and I suppose you want
a table kit and I said oh there's fun you should say that and so he's bringing it anyway.
So do you have a table there? Well I asked for a table and I was told yes we can
organize a table we don't not quite sure what we're doing about tables at the moment
but you're on the list but it might be a good idea if we ask again just to make sure it doesn't
fall off the agenda. If you want to ask and go correct it might be better if I'm
getting what we've got to ask. How are we going to be together in HBR episode?
Episodes episode's my friend. I'm still coming there to chill and nobody can force me to
record shows. I'm always Han is to go and chill. Actually my whole plan is to go there and
recruit people to record shows. That is essentially my clever and plan. I don't know if I
it's worked last year. I don't know if it's going to work after this show but okay cool um yeah stickers
I need to organize stickers in the like I guess yeah anyone got uh and T-shirts.
Yeah anyone got an idea for where we can get stickers like cheap lots of them. No. Okay
not you guys but general HBR community feel free to throw us a line on the mailing list or
comment in this episode. So is that is are we done? Is it all I think yeah I think we've done
yep yeah I think that's everything. So the question is will Ken edit out the show or not?
Tuned but which time I have to edit this more. Is Ken a lazy bastard or not?
Hmm okay tuning tomorrow for another exciting episode of Hacker Public Radio. We should do it all together.
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